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Ruggiero
post Nov 1 2004, 06:08 PM
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Voting is your right as a citizen. Do not get discouraged by the dirty-tricks squads out there. They are trying to make it as inconvenient as possible for (especially minority and young) voters to do so. Do NOT let them intimidate you.



Voting Problems

(AP) One day before a presidential election that is expected to be extremely close in a swath of swing states, voting officials from Florida to Oregon were dealing with problems that could slow down voting and lead to court challenges if results are close.

Four years after the Florida debacle in which thousands of votes may not have counted, CBS News/New York Times poll conducted Thursday through Saturday found that most voters — 70 percent — were not concerned or not very concerned about whether their vote will be counted this year.

But Republicans and Democrats have traded charges for weeks over alleged voter fraud or plans to intimidate people trying to exercise their franchise.

Nowhere has seen more pre-election legal wrangling than Ohio, where courts have wrestled with a Republican challenge to the validity of 35,000 voting registrations and a Democratic complaint about GOP plans to monitor polling places.

Ohio Republicans on Monday appealed rulings that had barred poll place monitors.

Elsewhere, officials in Boulder County, Colo. warned that election results might not be available until Wednesday night, saying extra time may be necessary because of a large projected turnout and the use of paper ballots.

"We didn't pick the hare; we picked the tortoise, the slow and steady winning-the-race type of system," said Jim Burrus, a spokesman for the county, known as an enclave of liberal voters.

The county's vote-counting machines bogged down in a recent test, choking on improperly marked ballots.

In Florida's Miami-Dade County, hundreds of people waited for hours Sunday to cast ballots during early voting. Many would-be voters saw the line, shook their heads and left.

Meanwhile, postal officials were in a tiff with Florida elections officials over absentee ballots, reports CBSNews.com's Lloyd de Vries.

The Postal Service said Broward County, Florida officials were trying to pin the blame on the USPS for not distributing absentee ballots in time. Spokesman Gerry McKiernan said the agency never saw one batch, and got another bunch Saturday afternoon, after the carriers had left for the day.

"Those ballots are being delivered today," McKiernan said. "I just hope to gosh that the voters can turn them around real quickly otherwise we're all going to be out of luck on that."

For the ballots to count, they must be returned to county offices by Tuesday night. Broward County residents should get the absentee ballots in time but those out of state may not.

In Oregon, Democrats have accused Republicans of trying to block thousands of young people's votes, following a request by GOP lawyers to review ballots cast by first-time voters in Oregon's most populous county.

In a letter issued Friday, attorneys for the Oregon Republican Party demanded that ballots cast by voters in Multnomah County who have not provided proof of identification be set aside and challenged if necessary.

Democrats challenged that request Sunday, saying it flies in the face of Oregon law, which does not require voters to show proof of identification when registering.

At stake are the votes of 207,053 first-time voters, of whom 73,226 are between the ages of 18 and 24. Nearly a third live in Multnomah County, which includes Portland, according to Secretary of State Bill Bradbury.

The Wisconsin state Republican Party questioned the validity of another 37,180 addresses of people registered to vote in Milwaukee. The party is demanding that city officials require identification from those voters at the polls.

City Attorney Grant Langley described the GOP request as "outrageous."

Last week, the party flagged more than 5,600 addresses as inaccurate, but Langley's office found hundreds of them to be correct.


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post Nov 1 2004, 08:24 PM
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You know, I'm thinking that our whole election process needs an overhaul dry.gif


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post Nov 1 2004, 08:32 PM
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uhhh VOTE BUSH! biggrin.gif


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post Nov 1 2004, 08:34 PM
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Another dimension, new galaxy!!

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post Nov 1 2004, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE(Kyzene @ Nov 1 2004, 09:24 PM)
You know, I'm thinking that our whole election process needs an overhaul dry.gif


Ky

Excellent thinking, too, Ky. biggrin.gif I'm with you. Let's DO it!

The bad news is the boat is full of holes. But, we can't fix a leaky boat from the outside. So, we have to all jump in there together, bail water like crazy and try to keep that boat afloat. Grab an oar....

The debate regarding the usefullness of the outdated and severely flawed electoral college is gaining steam as is outrage over the outright fraud ("inconvenience" isn't quite strong enough for me) going on. A little grassroots reasoning (as opposed to campaigning) doesn't hurt either.

Case in point: I'm Christian, but not evangelically so. Smacks too much of "campaigning". I mean, really. We all know who the candidates are. So, what does that make me? Methodist? Meh, how 'bout "non-denominational". (No. They're into tambourines.) I know...! How 'bout just plain ol' Christian?

Er, anyway dry.gif .... That's another debate altogether.

Both candidates have been playing the "Faith" card and people have been listening to all that rhetoric. I (a Christian) am absolutely horrified to know that I'm going to the polls tomorrow surrounded by folks who are voting for Bush because they *honestly* believe that God is calling the shots in his administration. Seems to me all the evidence points to mammon calling the shots and as we all know, one can't serve *both* God and mammon. (Bush speak with forked tongue, I think.) So, you speak to the situation at hand....

Tell those people that mammon's calling the shots and they kick you out of their church. But, who cares? Jesus didn't have one, either, as I recall. At least it's out there and you've spoken your conscience. Who knows? Might even sink in.

A wise man said today, "We are under a dictatorship with this administration and Republicans in general."

"True," I replied. "And the flip side? If it were all democrats, our government would be socialist."

All laughed and agreed.

DS summed it up really well: a happy medium would be ideal. The only way to achieve that under the present circumstances is to try to insure a healthy balance of both liberal weiners and right-wing nutjobs in our government, because I've looked very hard and have yet to see a single true moderate on the ballot. Then there is the sticky issue of ballots not being sent or counted or whatever the case may be. We have one thing in the face of that: Hope. If we ever lose hope, we're really in trouble. And hope is something you have to fight to hold onto.

Sorry for rambling. It's Monday. My concentration is shot. smile.gif
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post Nov 2 2004, 12:06 AM
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My $.02:

Socialism is a much nicer choice than dictatorship. Socialism*, do recall, is democratic, with free press, representational voting, free healthcare, etc.

Ruggiero




*Socialism not as practiced by the Soviets, of course, which was socialism in sloganeering only. Look at the Scandanavian countries for examples of more socialist govt's.


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post Nov 4 2004, 05:47 PM
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aww... a computer that knows best! tongue.gif go bush!
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